John invites Kim to share her story about her experience with YWAM (Youth With A Mission), opening a conversation that navigates between admiration for the group’s mission work and criticism of its internal dynamics. As they reflect on Kim’s time with the organization, the discussion reveals concerns about spiritual manipulation, emotional suppression, and a culture of fear that often mirrors the psychological control seen in high-control groups. John draws parallels to his own background, offering a layered perspective on how theological systems and institutional structures can distort spiritual life.<br /><br />Throughout their exchange, they explore the broader implications of missionary training, inter-group politics, and the uneasy entanglements between influential Christian leaders and questionable figures. They highlight how good intentions can be overshadowed by unhealthy leadership models, lack of preparation, and covert forms of coercion. The conversation closes with Kim’s reflections on what she wishes she had known at the beginning of her journey, offering a sober and thoughtful conclusion to a candid and revealing dialogue.<br /><br />00:00 Introduction<br />00:31 Kim’s Early Calling and Nursing Career<br />03:46 Guilford Baptist and David Pawson’s Influence<br />05:13 Shift Toward Charismatic Experience at Holy Trinity Brompton<br />07:26 John Wimber Conferences and Growing Discomfort<br />08:25 Entering YWAM Through HTB and Early Red Flags<br />09:06 Spiritually Manipulative Environment in DTS<br />10:35 Deliverance Teachings and Misuse of Emotion<br />12:05 Connecting YWAM to Broader Charismatic Movements<br />13:00 Emotional Control and Demonizing Human Experience<br />14:51 Failing to Conform and Leader Manipulation During Outreach<br />16:05 Being Denied Mission Access and Growing Inner Conflict<br />19:05 Initial Contact with India Missions and Arrival in Kolkata<br />23:31 Leadership by Unqualified Individuals and Medical Concerns<br />25:43 Cults and Criminal Networks: Structural Questions<br />27:04 Simplicity of Scripture and Relief from Spiritual Burdens<br />30:33 Controlling Rules and Leadership Immaturity<br />33:36 Adoration of Leaders and the Cult of Personality<br />36:53 Poor Vetting, Cult Takeover of a YWAM Base<br />37:59 Strategy and Mission Mismanagement<br />38:13 Local Mission Success: Dolly and Leblau’s Ministry<br />40:00 Leaving Cults and the Theology of Rescue<br />42:40 Foundational Problems Within YWAM’s Decentralized Model<br />43:50 Group Identity, Language, and Pressure to Conform<br />45:21 Health Crisis, Surgery, and Life-Altering Impact<br />47:00 Final Struggles in India and Decision to Return Home<br />48:28 Toronto Blessing and the Breaking Point<br />49:54 Finding Biblical Stability at Grace Church<br />50:08 Reflections on Marriage, Singleness, and Healing<br />51:06 Helping Others: NAR Support Group and Seminary Study<br />53:15 Final Advice: Test All Things Through Scripture <br />______________________<br />Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:<br />Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962<br />Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K<br />___________
